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  WANTED ! JW Apologist

  by wobble in

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  this must have been mentioned before,but now reniaa is back it could be fun.. if jw's are even part way to the truth,and all other religions are false, then they must have a doctrine that is unique to them,given by holy spirit, but plainly taught in the bible,without resorting to fancifull exegesis and bouncing around from verse to verse out of context etc.. what is that doctrine?.

  love.

  wobble.. .

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  Awakened at Gilead

  They are not even right on the biggies, as I debunked her on most of her points...
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  WANTED ! JW Apologist

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this must have been mentioned before,but now reniaa is back it could be fun.. if jw's are even part way to the truth,and all other religions are false, then they must have a doctrine that is unique to them,given by holy spirit, but plainly taught in the bible,without resorting to fancifull exegesis and bouncing around from verse to verse out of context etc.. what is that doctrine?.

  love.

  wobble.. .

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  Awakened at Gilead

  Besty,

  Reniaa just fudges that question and refuses to admit that 1919 is part of the required doctrie for JWs or else...
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  A New Chapter Is opening up in my Life.

  by orangefatcat in

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  well as some of you know that on january the 25th, i was confirmed at my church st paul's.

  finally after 45 years my day came.

  it was a magnificent sunday.

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  Awakened at Gilead

  It is all amazing the history of the church.

  Its trials and tribulations. The Reformation is an amazing part of History.

  Presently I am reading about the Church in medevil times. Now that book is quite fasinating.

  Reading about the history of the church turned me off Christianity, with its Crusades and witch burnings, as well as the development of the NT canon... be careful what you read....
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  WANTED ! JW Apologist

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this must have been mentioned before,but now reniaa is back it could be fun.. if jw's are even part way to the truth,and all other religions are false, then they must have a doctrine that is unique to them,given by holy spirit, but plainly taught in the bible,without resorting to fancifull exegesis and bouncing around from verse to verse out of context etc.. what is that doctrine?.

  love.

  wobble.. .

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  Awakened at Gilead

  Exactly, BB... and the description of Armageddon in Revelation is so vague that it has been the subject of speculation for the past 1900 years. How Reniaa can believe that the WTS has that point right is mind-boggling.
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  New BOE letter re: parents permitting fornication

  by sir82 in

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  unfortunately i have no scanner.

  but i thought y'all might like a glance into the latest mind of "mother".. i won't type out the whole thing, but just select pertinent parts to quote:.

  "to all bodies of elders.

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  Awakened at Gilead

  I guess I can't stay at Snowbie's house, LOL....

  I agree, this is big, since they are making it a DFing offense....
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  God=bad; Lucifer=good?

  by cameo-d in

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  the god of the old testament seems a rather despicable character.. some schools of thought play on this to prove lucifer as the "good guy".. how do you respond to this.... .

  eve was offered knowledge....she chose knowledge....and was punished for it.. god withheld knowledge purposely, yet satan was "compassionate and wanted these creatures to know the 'truth'.".

  light is symbolic for knowledge and wisdom.

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  Awakened at Gilead

  Do some research on Zoroastrianism... Ahura Mazda, etc...
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  Whay did Gilead teach about CTR? ... my latest video

  by Awakened at Gilead in

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  see here: please comment here or there... i welcome your feedback.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agw0mgl0eew.

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  Awakened at Gilead

  Yep, most of my vids will be like a 5 minute #4 talk, lol...

  The next one I will debunk the idea of paradise earth using 5 scriptures...
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  WANTED ! JW Apologist

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this must have been mentioned before,but now reniaa is back it could be fun.. if jw's are even part way to the truth,and all other religions are false, then they must have a doctrine that is unique to them,given by holy spirit, but plainly taught in the bible,without resorting to fancifull exegesis and bouncing around from verse to verse out of context etc.. what is that doctrine?.

  love.

  wobble.. .

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  Awakened at Gilead

  Since Reniaa mentioned me in this post and said taht I was avoiding these simple Bible truths, I will debunk her statements:

  "Here are some instances were I think Jws have it right...

  Jehovah is the almighty God - yes - Have you read about the theory of higher criticism? Do you know the difference between the E, J, P, Dtr1, Dtr2 writers? This theory would make YHWH just one of the local gods of the time, that gained prominence among later Israelites during the Babylonian exile.

  Jesus is Gods only begotten son not God - yes Jesus is called "God" several times in the scriptures: Isa9:6,7; John 1:1; John 20:28. You cannot ignore these scriptures.

  We are living souls that can die - yes no comment

  Is death, sheol the grave not a fire eternal torment - yes Yet Hades in the NTis associated with fire, i.e. Rich Man and Lazarus. "existing in torments". It's easy to sidestep this scripture since it doesn't agree with WT doctrine, but you cannot ignore it if you are unbiased.

  there is an earthly promise - Yes "the meek shall inherit the earth" Even the WT agrees this scripture applies to the anointed. You are misapplying scriptures:

  *** w03 4/1 p. 25 par. 20 Exhibit “All Mildness Toward All Men” ***

  Abundant blessings are in store for all who exhibit mildness. “Happy are the mild-tempered ones,” Jesus declared, “since they will inherit the earth.” (Matthew 5:5) For Christ’s spirit-anointed brothers, maintaining mildness ensures their happiness and the privilege of ruling over the earthly domain of the Kingdom

  there is a heavenly promise that comes with rulership - yes "rulers and priest with jesus in heaven" The heavenly hope is in fact, the only hope in the NT. Even the great crowd is in heaven (Rev 19:1)

  there is an armageddon we should be prepared for - yes, we are warned in more places than I can count. Erm, Armageddon appears only 1 place in the Bible: Rev 16:16. So you can count, one.

  We should keep to a strict moral standard that doesn't even allow for divorce except for adultery - Yes the bible is clear on this in both hebrew and greek scriptures. Again, you are generalizing. The OT allowed divorce on many a ground. Even Ezra had the Israelites dismiss the foriegn wives because they were foreign (and not worshippers of Jah). On that basis, then, could a spouse divorce if their religious beliefs were different?

  Jesus prepared his appostles to be leaders and promised help with holy spirit - yes the scriptures are clear on this Yet the JWs have a quite nebulous view of HS, and feel that the helper today is really the WTS.

  Is a lie is predicted that will obscure the bible 'truth' for most of the time between Jesus leaving and returning - yes weeds and wheat will be harvested at the time of Judgement. And you assume that the wheat merely refers to the WTS today. I fail to see the correlation. As Besty pointed out, when the wheat began to be gathered, they were believing all sorts of lies. So they must have still been weeds. When exactly did they become wheat? The WTS claims it was 1919, even though you claim that they do noty state that date:

  *** w81 8/1 p. 23 par. 9 Harvesting in the “Time of the End” ***

  When, after 1914, did the Son of man “send forth his angels” to separate the “sons of the kingdom” from “the sons of the wicked one,” the imitation “wheat,” that is, “persons who are doing lawlessness” and who include the “man of lawlessness,” the religious leaders of counterfeit Christianity? The answer must correspond with the facts, and these show that it was in 1919 that the spirit-begotten, anointed “sons of the kingdom,” symbolized by the “wheat,” began to be freed from the “weeds,” or false Christians, that had overrun the religious field of mankind.

  Does the bible show that not all who call on Jesus's name with be saved - yes You blew it... Rom 3:23 mistranslated uses the name Jehovah, not Jesus. I say mistranslated because the greek text does not use the YHWH. So to insert the name Jehovah is a mistranslation, as I have attempted to show you. There are no manuscripts with the name Jehovah in the NT.

  And there are so many more that Jws are spot on. On another thread Awakened picked up some of the more deeper logical constructs to argue on but avoided all these simple ones that they have right just by bible examination. Do I think they have made mistakes especially with dates - Yes, are they forgivable mistakes personally I think yes because I know how easy it is to be eager when you are trying to be prepared for something, but as to whether they are truly forgivable it is for God to judge not me,

  You now have my answer to almost all of your points, and I highlight your inconsistencies. If the WTS cannot get these simple points right, then surely your faith is in a man-made organization, not in God nor his holy book.
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  Whay did Gilead teach about CTR? ... my latest video

  by Awakened at Gilead in

  1. watchtower
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  see here: please comment here or there... i welcome your feedback.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agw0mgl0eew.

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  Awakened at Gilead

  You don't have access to You Tube, Loubelle? I have had some hits from South Africa.... I uploaded it to my FB account, I think you are my friend there, aren't you?
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  Whay did Gilead teach about CTR? ... my latest video

  by Awakened at Gilead in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  see here: please comment here or there... i welcome your feedback.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agw0mgl0eew.

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  Awakened at Gilead

  Silly Awakened, Charles was the 7th messenger to the Bride class. He was the one to make plain on tablets the truth of Daniel and the coming parousia. His independent study was the result of Jehovah flashing light to gather Christ's brothers together for the coming harvest work. Silly missionary, you missed the whole point of the Gilead section on Theocratic order, didn't you? Wanna buy a pyramid? W.Once

  Sounds eerily similar to Joseph Smith, lol...